tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post3632219397906304675..comments2024-03-15T07:12:40.918-05:00Comments on Collected Editions: Review: Green Arrow/Black Canary: For Better or For Worse trade paperback (DC Comics)collectededitionshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-57769418215562557602011-04-27T16:20:16.512-05:002011-04-27T16:20:16.512-05:00Bob, you raise a few valid points here. I'd lo...Bob, you raise a few valid points here. I'd love to see collections of both BLACK CANARY mini as well as the regular series. If I'm not mistaken, the mini was called NEW WINGS, and both were by Sarah Byam & Trevor Von Eeden, makes a buy hands down for me at least !Aalok Madhusudan Joshihttp://aalokmjoshi.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-74010906221367243042007-11-28T00:41:00.000-06:002007-11-28T00:41:00.000-06:00Anon,I concede that including all issues as advert...Anon,<BR/><BR/>I concede that including all issues as advertised would add a substantial amount of pages. I fail to see how that matters in regards to DC having a misleading solicitation, needing better content for this trade, or reprinting already reprinted material. I see those as the substantive issues involved in my review not the bloody number of pages.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>BobBob Hodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00739838438544577140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-35683340034670318622007-11-27T19:12:00.000-06:002007-11-27T19:12:00.000-06:00Anon -- I don't think Bob's advocating including t...Anon -- I don't think Bob's advocating including the full contents of all of these issues necessarily, so much as including more issues here that haven't already been collecting elsewhere, and removing some that had.<BR/><BR/>But no one person would have chosen the same contents for this trade as another, and everyone's going to have something they'd have like to seen. I'll probably pick this one up around the same time as the Green Arrow/Black Canary Wedding hardcover; makes a nice companion piece.collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-17191416497459519802007-11-27T01:58:00.000-06:002007-11-27T01:58:00.000-06:00If we did all the stories from Longbow Hunters 1 t...If we did all the stories from Longbow Hunters 1 to Green Arrow V3<BR/>21 as full issues, there would an extra 100 pages added to this trade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-8106327406676641182007-11-26T21:44:00.000-06:002007-11-26T21:44:00.000-06:00I'm looking for option A in this trade: a quick pr...I'm looking for option A in this trade: a quick primer on why the wedding of Green Arrow and Black Canary is a logical next step. Doesn't sound like the trade necessarily delivers. <BR/><BR/>Anon, I understand your concern about the more violent aspects of Green Arrow and Black Canary's history, but it's just that--history. If these issues represent turning points in their relationship, I don't think we can exclude them solely on the basis of violence.<BR/><BR/>But I see the debate here is including the "best of" issues versus including the more representative samples; I imagine this is a difficulty the DC collections department has with a number of omnibi.collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-83860620504196597562007-11-26T11:28:00.000-06:002007-11-26T11:28:00.000-06:00First of all Night Olympics and the stories from v...First of all Night Olympics and the stories from vol. 2 may have Black Canary, but they're primarily Green Arrow stories. Featuring stories where the reverse is true or they both appear prominently would be good for a trade showcasing what's supposed to be an egalitarian relationship (and the fact that the collection didn't do this is a large problem).<BR/><BR/>Second of all, they are hardly the best GA stories ever written. Night Olympics introduces some interesting concepts in the dialogue but is ultimately a barebones villain hurts hero's girlfriend so hero hurts villain story. Neither Smith's or Meltzer's runs were bad, but they were overhyped and featured stupid moments. For example why is Solomon Grundy in the Arrowcave, Jason Todd swinging around heaven dressed as Robin, etc. <BR/><BR/>Third, I don't advocate including more Longbow Hunters as that series has already been reprinted.<BR/><BR/>Fourth, what's so wrong about being violent and/or for mature readers? And even if there is something wrong with it, Volume 2 isn't exactly kid-friendly. I seem to recall a grandfather torturing his son, black magic and demonology, a couple serial killers, sex, a child prostitute, Ollie abandoning baby Connor, and lets not even get started on Winnick's run. <BR/><BR/>I don't think it's wrong to include such things in a superhero comic (though it often is done poorly), and Green Arrow like Batman and the Question seem to me to be characters that can be dark and deal with hard topics in ways that say Superman or the Flash probably shouldn't.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>BobBob Hodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00739838438544577140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-29919105761804709172007-11-26T05:13:00.000-06:002007-11-26T05:13:00.000-06:00Bob, why cut out two of the best Green Arrow / Bla...Bob, why cut out two of the best Green Arrow / Black Canary stories so we get more violent issues in DC history like Longbow Hunters 2?<BR/>There was a reason DC stuck a "MR" logo on the 1st 75 issues of Grell's run.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-4822269099265650152007-11-25T23:28:00.000-06:002007-11-25T23:28:00.000-06:00Anonymous,If page counts were really an issue than...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>If page counts were really an issue than DC should have cut out previously reprinted material like the Alan Moore story or the immense amount of stuff from vol. 2. <BR/><BR/>And putting aside all of that, it is reasonable to expect DC solicitations to mention that some stories appear only in excerpts and to not falsely indicate Birds of Prey 88 would be included. <BR/><BR/>Maybe I could have looked at the page count and then gone to the Grand Comics Database, dug out all the different page counts for the many different sized stories, done some division, and concluded that they couldn't cram all I was promised in the alloted pages, but damn it I'm a liberal arts major who hates math and when I'm giving DC $20 bucks I shouldn't have to worry about such things.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>BobBob Hodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00739838438544577140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-42493863012217660682007-11-24T19:37:00.000-06:002007-11-24T19:37:00.000-06:00Bob - did you see my comment on how many extra pag...Bob - did you see my comment on how many extra pages would be in this trade if we had full issues instead of excerpts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-61560873333242206562007-11-23T14:50:00.000-06:002007-11-23T14:50:00.000-06:00Sorry for being a few days late replying and uncle...Sorry for being a few days late replying and unclear in the original post. I think you can have bought this collection wanting either of two things:<BR/><BR/>A) A representation of the good qualities of Green Arrow's and Black Canary's relationship leading to a logical culmination in marriage.<BR/><BR/>B) Reprinting of some not previously reprinted materials from the histories of these characters.<BR/><BR/>In the review I explain why I think <BR/>the trade fails at A. So I was hoping for full issues from Grell's run on Green Arrow and Dixon's runs on the same and Birds of Prey and the solicitation failed to disabuse me of these hopes. If the collection had done this I would be more inclined to see it as a sucess at B. <BR/><BR/>Since the collection achieved neither A or B to my satisfaction I gave it a mediocre rating.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>BobBob Hodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00739838438544577140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-17267434943915443852007-11-20T23:06:00.000-06:002007-11-20T23:06:00.000-06:00It would be a lot more than 200 pages if all the s...It would be a lot more than 200 pages if <B>all</B> the stories in this trade were collected!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-80778840597972472962007-11-20T20:27:00.000-06:002007-11-20T20:27:00.000-06:00In my opinion, at least (and I neither wrote the r...In my opinion, at least (and I neither wrote the review nor have I read the trsde), but it sounds like Bob was saying DC included only excerpts from some issues that might have read better if we got the full story, as with the <I>Birds of Prey</I>. How did you think it read?collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-50149201828081545452007-11-19T23:01:00.000-06:002007-11-19T23:01:00.000-06:00Why would you want DC to have full issues in this ...Why would you want DC to have full issues in this trade over excerpts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com