tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post4053302123437233458..comments2024-03-27T21:12:28.287-05:00Comments on Collected Editions: Review: Outsiders: The Hunt trade paperback (DC Comics)collectededitionshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-7033089153189447242010-10-22T12:13:31.618-05:002010-10-22T12:13:31.618-05:00If anyone is interested, here's my review of &...If anyone is interested, here's my review of "The Hunt" http://armzrace.com/blog/?p=4417HardtravelingHerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08934695675331373414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-56664843824795122022010-10-10T18:36:28.397-05:002010-10-10T18:36:28.397-05:00That would be nice. Actually, one of the things I ...That would be nice. Actually, one of the things I find annoying when it comes to DC's trade department is that the New Teen Titans era doesn't have a comprehensive set of trades. It's been largely ignored barring a trade of the occasional big storyline. To me, it's like if Marvel didn't bother collecting the Claremont era in any semblance of detail.<br /><br />You make a good point about "pure evil" not being a common concept in the DCU. Even the worst villains seem to have their times where you might sympathize with them a bit. See Flashes Rogues, for instance, whom are technically evil but have a strict code of ethics and are difficult to hate outright. In a way, the rarity makes villains like Terra, Joker and Braniac, for examples, more effective. The first one brought nothing good to the lives of the Titans when she was walking the earth and when the latter two show up you KNOW things just got real.<br /><br />Speaking of the Great Darkness Saga, I still need to read that. I managed to pick up a copy of the original trade a ways back. I was at New York Comic Con '08 and they were selling copies that Paul Levitz had in his personal collection, with certificates and everything. It's really the only Legion story I have, as that concept just seems utterly impenetrable to me. Still, I figure I may as well read the story considered a high water mark in its history; and hey, Darkseid too, so what the hell right?dl316bhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779958088602323101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-19053133482858749882010-10-10T17:52:56.948-05:002010-10-10T17:52:56.948-05:00I agree with that (just have much love for the Tea...I agree with that (just have much love for the Team Titans). To me the original Terra represents "pure evil" -- a person with the sole intention of doing ill; in the comics context, the Joker is another one of those. I disagree with Meltzer's apologizing for Terra; that, like Beast Boy, is trying to see what one hoped to see in the character, rather than what she really was.<br /><br />I think, for all the good versus evil in the DC Universe, "pure evil" is still a tough thing for some readers and writers to fully accept -- even Lex Luthor and Deathstroke have been written with their moments of goodness. For me, this is why Terra's story is so compelling; even as the New Titans all struggled against their darker natures, Terra was the character completely devoid of that spark of goodness.<br /><br />Similar to the expanded Legion: Great Darkness hardcover, I'm hoping DC reprints Terra Incognito and Judas Contract (and maybe some of the follow-up issues) all together in one story.collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-67478214853475213292010-10-10T17:40:39.805-05:002010-10-10T17:40:39.805-05:00@collecteditions: It's not that man. I know yo...@collecteditions: It's not that man. I know you're kidding, but I feel I should explain. I have strong opinions about the Terra story. Having someone around who could be the original and is basically a carbon copy except not a sociopath just strikes me as a dillution of the Terra storyline. It's part of why Marv Wolfman didn't want to create her to start with and I have to agree with his reasoning. In the end, she never really did much either, accept dredge up bad memories for Gar until he basically told her to take a hike from his life in general.<br /><br />It's part of why I hate it when some folks want to try and make the original Terra misguided or manipulated (see Brad Meltzer, though I have nothing against him personally). It's like they missed the entire point of Judas Contract. Not to mention the growing up Beast Boy was forced to do during the whole Trial of Deathstroke thing.<br /><br />It's just a very strong dislike of messing with the Terra concept in general.dl316bhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779958088602323101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-61459800629329164582010-10-10T15:57:14.413-05:002010-10-10T15:57:14.413-05:00Any chance dl316bh dislikes the Zero Hour Terra so...Any chance dl316bh dislikes the Zero Hour Terra so much because she would rival Raven for Beast Boy's affections? ... I kid. Check out dl316bh and the Beast Boy/Raven community at http://main.the-bbxrae-shrine.net.<br /><br />I do have to stand up for the Terra clone, though, who was a member of the short-lived Team Titans, one of my historically favorite super-teams. The Team Titans were "teen" Titans from the future at a time when the New Titans had become a little long-in-the-tooth, and there was a great mystery involving their time travel and their mysterious leader that was cut short, unfortunately, by Zero Hour. That Terra had to struggle mightily displaced from home in a time where everyone thought she was a super-villain; I think that whole series is worth checking out.collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-85021522188344029532010-10-10T05:00:22.712-05:002010-10-10T05:00:22.712-05:00And to bring this thread full circle, the new Terr...And to bring this thread full circle, the new Terra mini-series had a different explanation for the original Terra's evil, that was contrary to the Meltzer story as well.<br /><br />The new Terra mini was however, lots of fun. The series is as free from angst as you can get. Great cameo by Doctor Midnite and it set up the new Power Girl series like a 0 issue.Hixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-52049880797088432712010-10-09T23:36:08.959-05:002010-10-09T23:36:08.959-05:00The real Terra died in Judas Contract. The one too...The real Terra died in Judas Contract. The one tooling around when Zero Hour was going on was pretty much just DC trying to appease those mad that Terra really was evil and not just misguided. The character served little to no purpose and was more or less useless. Black Adam decided it would be a totally slammin' idea to punch her through the sternum. She was summarily forgotten.<br /><br />The current Terra is almost completely unrelated to the previous ones. She's mostly a Power Girl supporting character. Kind of like PG's sidekick.dl316bhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779958088602323101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-35616436129376321222010-10-09T15:17:23.035-05:002010-10-09T15:17:23.035-05:00This brings in mind another issue in my mind. I...This brings in mind another issue in my mind. I'm quite confident that TERRA INCOGNITO would tell me about what TERRA was before the JUDAS CONTRACT,and the selfsame trade carries me further. She died, right?<br />Then I can remember another Terra in the NEW TITANS,still another after ZERO HOUR & a trade called TERRA by GRAY/PALMIOTTI & now LW&T.<br />Can anyone tell me in chronological order how this makes sense?Aalok Madhusudan Joshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14837619279211378828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-40180959143265382752010-10-09T13:16:30.921-05:002010-10-09T13:16:30.921-05:00It was a denial thing. Geo-Force wouldn't acce...It was a denial thing. Geo-Force wouldn't accept that she was truly evil, so he blamed Deathstroke. Then Last Will & Testament tried to say Deathstroke drugged her, if I remember right. It was then summarily forgotten. DC wouldn't even collect it; and they originally intended to.<br /><br />This volume of Outsiders forced him to accept that she was evil.dl316bhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779958088602323101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-32114191781825603722010-10-09T06:08:53.514-05:002010-10-09T06:08:53.514-05:00True....I don't see it as a retcon....
I read ...True....I don't see it as a retcon....<br />I read THE JUDAS CONTRACT the last week...<br />Marv Wolfman made no two bones about it....TERRA was evil. This issue (LW&T) was somewhat similar if only in theme to TALES OF THE NEW TEEN TITANS # 55 SHADES OF GRAY....it was a two parter from 54 & 55 where Beast Boy wants to see Slade out of prison during the Trial of the Terminator so he can kill him for what he did to Terra....if it wasn't obvious enough in JUDAS CONTRACT Marv sealed it here.<br /><br />LW&T was a Geo Force/Deathstroke thing & I loved it so much that it's on my list of wonderful things uncollected,like FLASH: CHAIN LIGHTNING/HELL TO PAY,BATMAN: DARK KNIGHT DARK CITY,the prankster centric KURT BUSIEK SUPERMAN issue, SUPERMAN/BATMAN 26...<br />I mean I wouldn't even mind if DC fluffs this one with Brad Meltzer extras & puts it out as a HCAalok Madhusudan Joshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14837619279211378828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-49531814999998540402010-10-08T23:15:41.532-05:002010-10-08T23:15:41.532-05:00I've read Last Will and Testament, but not The...I've read Last Will and Testament, but not The Judas Contract or any Outsiders books, so forgive me if I'm way off base here...but doesn't Last Will suggest that Terra wasn't all bad, in Geo-Force's eyes? i.e. it wasn't a retcon, but just showing a brother trying to get revenge for his sister, whom HE perceived to be innocent?D. Mark Simmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16537028797086907873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-57854707090690090812010-10-08T15:39:02.713-05:002010-10-08T15:39:02.713-05:00The Blackest Night hardcover opens with the story ...The Blackest Night hardcover opens with the story part of Blackest Night 0. The color corps profile pages are interspersed in the Tales of the Corps HC.<br /><br />Last Will and Testament is the most significant story about Brion Markov I can think of. Pity it's subject to this controversy over Terra. It really should have been the opening story in Outsiders: The Deep.Hixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-45290370761637364232010-10-08T13:10:28.706-05:002010-10-08T13:10:28.706-05:00Exchanging Doom Patrol for Outsiders is a good sug...Exchanging Doom Patrol for Outsiders is a good suggestion, one I too might take up.<br /><br />Aalok, as dl said, DC Universe: Last Will hasn't been collected anywhere -- however, it does get referenced, especially in Outsiders: The Deep. Also, the Faces of Evil: Deathstroke special follows from the events of Last Will; that story is collected, very belatedly, in the Teen Titans: Ravager trade.<br /><br />The DCU #0 narration isn't collected anywhere; as far as I know, just the Batman and Wonder Woman parts are collected. More's the pity -- that story, if you read it right, bridges Countdown, Final Crisis, and Seven Soldiers.<br /><br />... Was Blackest Night #0, the story part, never collected anywhere?collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-35441182970996641502010-10-08T12:53:56.623-05:002010-10-08T12:53:56.623-05:00@AaloK: It doesn't get collected, thankfully. ...@AaloK: It doesn't get collected, thankfully. That was where Brad Meltzer tried to force through his retarded "Terra wasn't evil, just drugged" retcon that was summarily thrown out. It was better left forgotten; it didn't even really jive with what was happening around the time it came out anyways.dl316bhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14779958088602323101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-15082194968178640132010-10-08T11:37:59.151-05:002010-10-08T11:37:59.151-05:00Where does DC UNIVERSE: LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT ge...Where does DC UNIVERSE: LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT get collected in?<br />I saw parts of DCU # 0 in stuff like RIP but dunno where this will end up....<br />Does the narration part in DCU 0 come anywhere....I had thought it would appear in FINAL CRISIS.....don't think it did.....Aalok Madhusudan Joshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14837619279211378828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-87705576547122546132010-10-07T15:56:10.342-05:002010-10-07T15:56:10.342-05:00Tomasi's first volume felt so bold and rich in...Tomasi's first volume felt so bold and rich in potential. The second collection was a big disappointment and I picked up this one to complete his run. The same day I got this I bought his Nightwing: The Great Leap trade. This was such a let down compared to that. The characterization felt obliged rather than inspired and I got the sense that he was stuck with the bat-villains still available after the bat-books had called dibs.<br /><br />I too, will be calling it a day for Outsiders collections, replacing this spot is Giffen's Doom Patrol which is far more enjoyable (though I'll be surprised if it makes it through the 20s issue-wise). <br /><br />Morbidly anticipating your review of Team History.Hixnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-47790876860401423842010-10-07T09:46:24.440-05:002010-10-07T09:46:24.440-05:00Exactly how I feel. I have this nostalgic love of...Exactly how I feel. I have this nostalgic love of the Eradicator character from his Superman appearances way back, but I don't believe I'll be picking up the next volume any time soon for that purpose -- maybe discounted at a convention. I am just not seeing the draw of this series -- though, if someone's still reading it, I'm always curious to hear what appeals a series to other readers.collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-45581013230525644502010-10-07T09:39:19.079-05:002010-10-07T09:39:19.079-05:00This run never took off for me, but the current Ou...This run never took off for me, but the current Outsiders run by Didio is so incredibly bad, it makes me wish Tomasi had stayed on this book. I guess this collection is a good dropping off point.shagamuhttp://mbbforum.com/mbbnoreply@blogger.com