tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post6973950588864310837..comments2024-03-27T21:12:28.287-05:00Comments on Collected Editions: Trade Perspectives: Was (Not Was) Omega Mencollectededitionshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-18383962414352469572015-10-06T13:18:24.180-05:002015-10-06T13:18:24.180-05:00I'm glad for the resolicit, but I hope the wor...I'm glad for the resolicit, but I hope the words "Complete Series" go away. Just seems confusing if there's never actually a Vol. 1/Vol. 2.collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-67363908655004086852015-10-05T08:20:13.670-05:002015-10-05T08:20:13.670-05:00So Omega Men has been relisted as a "Complete...So Omega Men has been relisted as a "Complete Series" instead of just a Vol. 1. Its release date has been pushed back to August, two months after #12 would hit.HelloTherehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05602812462354227620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-72838756619646479632015-10-04T02:12:07.873-05:002015-10-04T02:12:07.873-05:00I think they could use their "digital first&q...I think they could use their "digital first" line for that kind of titles. Don't reprint them as floppies, go straight to trade!SAIDESTROYERhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17497866804136726652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-63796142768506180682015-10-02T09:10:38.027-05:002015-10-02T09:10:38.027-05:00I was originally waiting for trade on Omega Men, b...I was originally waiting for trade on Omega Men, but have gone back and picked up the early issues and added the title to my pull list.<br /><br />I have a gripe about the trade, however. Tom King structured his story as 12 issues, with a definite beginning, middle, and end. Why DC insists on collecting the series in two trades instead of one is beyond me. The casual reader is more likely to pick up one trade for the whole story than to read half of it and wait six months for the conclusion.<br /><br />On a related note, I really think DC should consider creating a line of original graphic novels featuring characters and concepts that might not be able to sustain sales for a series but would attract buyers for a single story. It might be a way to capitalize on some of the Convergence/pre-New 52 titles -- I know I'd buy an Earth-2 Justice Society of America graphic novel by Jerry Ordway, an Earth-S Shazam! story by Jeff Parker and Evan "Doc" Shaner, the Earth-1 New Teen Titans by Marv Wolfman and Nicola Scott, and the Earth-1 Batman and the Outsiders by Mike W. Barr (my preference) or Marc Andreyko with art by Trevor Von Eeden. (And, yes, I went "old school" intentionally as I'd like to see DC revisit the pre-Crisis DCU since "Crisis on Infinite Earths" never happened and those Earths are now "out there somewhere.")Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12137701960852470073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-80139475771591670502015-10-01T13:13:17.974-05:002015-10-01T13:13:17.974-05:00By the way, Doug...long time reader here, first ti...By the way, Doug...long time reader here, first time poster! I check your site out here at least a couple times a week to get the latest trade reviews! Keep up the great work, it's really appreciated! :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13786860480087530121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-2583215902345765202015-10-01T08:57:50.120-05:002015-10-01T08:57:50.120-05:00This particular reason is why I think the cancella...This particular reason is why I think the cancellation might have been a mistake in the first place. It looks like someone in sales decided that they needed to cut x amount of low-selling titles, not noticing or knowing that one of them was Omega Men. Still, it's a wake-up call.doug.glassmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18018711097234509826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-15117896817201313662015-10-01T08:16:30.947-05:002015-10-01T08:16:30.947-05:00I think your money spends just like everyone else&...I think your money spends just like everyone else's. If you're buying comics, in whatever format, you're supporting the industry. I'm really, *really* not a fan of people telling paying customers that they're somehow harming the product they're purchasing because they're not buying the "right" books or doing it the "right" way. That's gross. Buy what you like and the rest will work itself out.allstarmatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16754758277080185925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-76819539344617335302015-10-01T07:52:48.607-05:002015-10-01T07:52:48.607-05:00The worst thing about this was that DC 'promis...The worst thing about this was that DC 'promised' to put out at least 12 issues, which is how writer Tom King structured his overall story arc. So to be told that they were cancelling the book after only four issues were out was, to me, a slap in the face of those who took DC for their word. It was the reminder to DC management of 'the promise' of 12 issues that caused Jim Lee to tweet, saying they made a mistake, and 'Omega Men' will get at least 12 issues. It really is a smart, wonderful book.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13786860480087530121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-15266729953380007162015-09-30T20:42:06.781-05:002015-09-30T20:42:06.781-05:00I've been hearing wonderful things about this ...I've been hearing wonderful things about this series, and very disappointed that DC so quickly decided to cancel it. You'd think they'd have waited until 6 issues came out at least. Well I guess I got to make a trip to my comic store now.Codyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17178727978311013660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-43175065482777406192015-09-30T12:44:00.259-05:002015-09-30T12:44:00.259-05:00Ah, so not that trade-readers might or might not o...Ah, so not that trade-<em>readers</em> might or might not outnumber serial readers in this or that given situation, but that on mid-list, low-selling titles, your thought is that the number of people specifically waiting to buy just the trade might be small. Hmm.<br /><br />I know I'm a trade-waiter most times across the board. Means depending on who you ask I'm either part of the problem or part of the solution. :-)collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-20377906309436659972015-09-30T12:11:38.797-05:002015-09-30T12:11:38.797-05:00Infallible, that is. Proving once again that neit...Infallible, that is. Proving once again that neither am I.allstarmatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16754758277080185925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-84352185281106671812015-09-30T12:09:45.037-05:002015-09-30T12:09:45.037-05:00Yea clearly DC felt that way, though they're n...Yea clearly DC felt that way, though they're not inallible of course.<br /><br />But yes in general I just don't think there are very many people actively tradewaiting the mid-list DC (or Marvel) books. Just a gut instinct - my understanding has always been that the sales of collected editions of most of those series are pretty modest, and not all of those sales are to tradewaiters (as opposed to double-dippers, impulse buyers, people who didn't hear of the series before the trade came out, etc.).allstarmatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16754758277080185925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-91248283201062816432015-09-30T10:25:52.160-05:002015-09-30T10:25:52.160-05:00Thanks for the high praise -- I'll grab Omega ...Thanks for the high praise -- I'll grab Omega Men ASAP!! <br />-MikeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-18268824466470267642015-09-30T10:17:30.592-05:002015-09-30T10:17:30.592-05:00This caused me to buy digital copies and subscribe...This caused me to buy digital copies and subscribe to Omega Men, as well as the critically lauded Prez. Probably won't read them until the trade comes out, but wanted to show my support. I really hope that 80s Omega Men trade isn't canceled. That was a great series. Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04449783353273386972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-21214640178702627962015-09-30T09:46:59.056-05:002015-09-30T09:46:59.056-05:00Green Team was cancelled, but I guess the differen...Green Team was cancelled, but I guess the difference is, if it was cancelled "mid-stride," at least the creators hadn't said "we have a miniseries-like plan" that cancellation foiled. But whereas Omega Men was cancelled and the promise of a trade wasn't rescinded, it just wouldn't have been the "complete" book as stated by the creators, Green Team's cancellation then lead to the trade also being cancelled (though it was released, thankfully, in digital, so not completely cancelled). <br /><br />So maybe that helps your idea that there aren't really that many trade-waiters, statistically speaking? Because then it would have been worthwhile to print the Green Team trade despite cancellation, and apparently it wasn't deemed worthwhile.collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-37544265540880038502015-09-30T09:42:33.049-05:002015-09-30T09:42:33.049-05:00The Slifer run on Omega Men, especially, emphasize...The Slifer run on Omega Men, especially, emphasizes them as revolutionaries, not superheroes, and not some Star Warsified fantasy of revolution, either. Things frequently get rough and ugly (though sometimes I feel like the story acts like these actions are more shocking than they are... that might be a product of reading it for the first time in the post-Watchmen era, though).Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546370463396570168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-48752840897712711662015-09-30T09:42:29.881-05:002015-09-30T09:42:29.881-05:00That the original Lobo debuted in Omega Men is cor...That the original Lobo debuted in Omega Men is correct ("one and only" has been stretched pretty far at this point). Generally I'm surprised there hasn't been an Omega Men collection precisely because of that, and I might still think that would save the collection. At the same time, DC made a big push of late on Lobo that didn't seem to work out, so maybe that affects Lobo-related products across the board.collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-71306311949357237532015-09-30T09:37:39.762-05:002015-09-30T09:37:39.762-05:00I'd have to know the sales for the single issu...I'd have to know the sales for the single issues or collections of Green Team, which I do not, I'm afraid. (Was there even a Green Team collection?) That one seems to me to be the definition of something with limited appeal. I actually read the first issue of that and it was... fine? Not a bad comic but pretty standard mid-list DC fare - it's hard for me to imagine there was a vast audience of tradewaiters waiting to pick it up.allstarmatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16754758277080185925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-47535053659693437392015-09-30T09:37:24.554-05:002015-09-30T09:37:24.554-05:00The level of graphic violence, especially from a D...The level of graphic violence, especially from a DC book, was above anything I saw back then (this was around the time DC starting putting running series out without the Comic Code Authority approval, and on better paper stock (the 'Baxter' floppies as they were known). "The New Teen Titans" and "Legion of Super-Heroes" also got this treatment (with a renumbering), along with "Camelot 3000" and some other mini-series, if memory serves. The one and only original Lobo originated out of the original "Omega Men" series. I do hope they press on and put that collection out! I've already pre-ordered it on Amazon!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13786860480087530121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-82320843307988115992015-09-30T09:33:40.874-05:002015-09-30T09:33:40.874-05:00That trade-waiting cancels books is not an idea I&...That trade-waiting cancels books is not an idea I'm fond of either, being as it were a trade-waiter, though in some situations it's harder to refute than others. Can you take your idea that there's not a statistically significant audience waiting for the collection, however, and address for instance Green Team, How does what you're saying supported or refuted by what happened there? collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-71134716429627494852015-09-30T09:26:46.711-05:002015-09-30T09:26:46.711-05:00I've pushed back for years against the idea th...I've pushed back for years against the idea that tradewaiting causes books to be canceled prematurely. That argument seems to presuppose that there is a statistically significant audience waiting for the collection, and that rarely seems to be the case on these low-selling titles. Most of the time it's just more likely that the material has limited appeal in any format.<br /><br />Omega Men is a very good comic, well-crafted with inventive challenging storytelling that is much more nuanced than most Big 2 fare. But the very things that make it noteworthy also limit the scope of its appeal. It's possible the series will find new life as a collected edition, but if it does it will be one of the exceptions among books of this sort.<br /><br />It's a good read, though, and the 8-page preview is free on comixology for anyone interested in checking it out.allstarmatcheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16754758277080185925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-3716816146199725922015-09-30T09:15:08.079-05:002015-09-30T09:15:08.079-05:00I do hope the troubles this book has faced won'...I do hope the troubles this book has faced won't affect the collection of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401260888/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1401260888&linkCode=as2&tag=collectededitions-20&linkId=UKY7UQQ4XIXFVVMW" rel="nofollow">classic Omega Men</a> that's supposed to be out in April, though frankly the rumors I'm hearing about that collection aren't good. What about the '80s series was shocking for its time?collectededitionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14698269790653953645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10945794.post-15932377257198785522015-09-30T08:21:29.399-05:002015-09-30T08:21:29.399-05:00Agreed 100%! I'm old enough to remember readi...Agreed 100%! I'm old enough to remember reading the original "Omega Men" run back in the '80s and how shocking the book was for its time. Tom King's version is familiar yet so very different, and I'm enjoying this intergalactic treasure immensely.<br /><br />I posted my own "Save 'Omega Men'" blog the day the original announcement was made: http://wp.me/p2uLZo-26<br /><br />...then blogged about DC's un-cancellation: http://wp.me/p2uLZo-2dAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13786860480087530121noreply@blogger.com